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    Big Cheese

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    From:aptos, CA, 95003
    Registered: Dec 99

    posted 04-26-2000 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nthooze   Click Here to Email nthooze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    OK we're one step closer to the ultimate DVD player. A few manufacturers have come out with 200+ DVD players. However they have failed to close the loop between PCDVD and home theater DVD. All we need now is a SCSI/USB or whatever connection to allow PC access to these devices. Imagine the possabilities.


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    From:Thornhill, Ontario, Canada
    Registered: Apr 2000

    posted 04-27-2000 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrendanDCN   Click Here to Email BrendanDCN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    Imagine the waste more like it...
    Right now, making a player that would hook up to a PC via USB would be silly...
    The only reason I say this is because....USB2 is supposed to come out...I don't remember the specs, but we're talking about 40x the throughput of normal USB...Yes, we're talking fast...

    As far as SCSI goes...great transfer rate and all, but...I think there's a few probs with that...
    1. How close does this unit have to be to your PC? At home, right now, I have my computer stuffed into my tiny bedroom with my monitor sitting on top of the television. While this is ideal in my situation, it certainly doesn't make keyboard or mouse use very simple. While some have the computer in the same room, they are rarely very close to one another.
    2. Isn't there some deterioration of SCSI transfer over long distances of cable? Haven't had enough experience with SCSI to say for sure, but I'm guessing that since most everything seems to screw up a little when you put it further and further away, I'm guessing that some slight deteriorations in the SCSI signal could result in blips in video, as well as sound interruption.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the idea. I'd love nothing more than a 200-disc DVD player to try out...however, we need a more reliable method for data transfer over some distance. I'm probably way off base with this, but....
    Oh well...


    Sulfuric Acid

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    From:Derry, NH USA
    Registered: Apr 2000

    posted 04-27-2000 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulfuric Acid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    You won't see USB/2 on devices as HT is moving towards IEEE1394(Firewire) not USB. Firewire rox and is rated at 400mbit so there is plenty of bandwith. USB isn't even fully supported under M$ OS yet. Apple crushes PCs when it comes to USB/Firewire support.

    Big Cheese

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    From:aptos, CA, 95003
    Registered: Dec 99

    posted 04-28-2000 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nthooze   Click Here to Email nthooze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    I'm glad to see the responces here. Ya I know that USB is not ideal for what we're looking for. I'm also stoked to hear that there is newer stuffon the horizon. I see the PC as the heart of any comprehensive home entertainment system in the new future. With the XGA, and beyond, high res. projectors, and an already well established progressive scan display technology the PC is an affordable high quality visual medium. This will improve and intigrate with HGTV standards as time goes on. Beyond just display quality PC's also offer near endless flexiblity and options. Eveything from playing high performance 3D games to surf'en the net. Imagine playen Unreal or Quake on a 8 foot wide high res. display with 1200 watts of surround sound all in a light and sound tight room built for entertainment. The other beauty of using PC for your home theater heart is that it is ever adapting to new technology, unlike the standard DVD to TV system. So it is to this end that I look when I suggest that they adapt these large capacity players for PC. The other advantage for these players would be for archiving massive amounts of data. This would have numerous buisness and govermental applications. Helping the market draw of the product. please let me know what you think. Thanks

    [This message has been edited by nthooze (edited 07-07-2000).]

    Big Cheese

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    From:Sunnyvale, CA
    Registered: Dec 99

    posted 04-28-2000 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Edge   Click Here to Email Edge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    As with most HDD cables, data can be corrupted over cables that are not within spec. However, in my experience SCSI/EIDE and RAID systems in general (that sometimes utilize a long cable), there are specially made cables (each segement of the cable coming off a lead is coupled with an additional wire to impede crosstalk) that allow the transfer of data over significantly longer cables.... and SCSI device has the benefit of being part of a potentially longer chain of devices. But, while cables can be longer, they're short enough that the unit would have to remain particularly close to a PC.

    - mf

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